College of Arts and Sciences
Educational Policy Meeting
Minutes of the 391st Meeting
PRESENT: Ann Marie Barry,
Joe Burns, Michael Connolly, Clare Dunsford, Solomon Friedberg, Carlos
Jaramillo, Alan Kafka, Thomas McGuinness, Michael Malec, Michael Martin, Gilda
Morelli, Robert Murphy, Mary Daniel O'Keeffe, O.P., Jennie Purnell,
ABSENT: Andrea Defusco-Sullivan, Clare O'Connor, Eileen Sweeney.
CALL TO ORDER: Dean Quinn called the meeting to order at commenting that today’s meeting would likely be short.
MINUTES: Minutes for October 17th and for November 14th of 2002 were approved. After a brief discussion the full committee agreed that the final minutes would henceforth include names unless individual members wished their names removed.
Solomon Friedberg reported that
Advanced Placement Credits:
Murphy also reported that AP test scores of “4 or 5” were usually required for receiving credit, the exceptions being
He also stated that
Sr. Mary Daniel O’Keefe and Clare Dunsford interjected that the Associate Deans were receiving a record number of inquiries about Advance Standing.
Murphy then concluded his description of the current situation noting that practices vary at other institutions, but generally scores of “4 or 5” are acceptable but not scores of “3”.
Murphy then presented the subcommittees’ recommendations as follows:
1. The foreign language and English AP exams probably should require a “4” rather than a “3” for core credit. However,
§ 2 or 3 additional sections per semester in French and Spanish
§ and as many as 7 or 8 additional sections per year for English writing and for English literature.
2. Mathematics judged the current required score of “4 or 5” on the AB calculus exam and the “3” on the BC calculus exam justified given the relative difficulty of the tests.
3. Fine Arts had responded that a “3” was too low for core credit and that a “4” or “5” would be more appropriate. Computer Science has not responded, but any change for Computer Science would not affect the core, as the AP score is used only for placement within the major.
Murphy concluded his report noting that
· and the sense of the Subcommittee is that the Departments should be polled concerning the use of the AP exam within their majors prior to any action.
· Dean Quinn stated that the increase in requests for Advance Standing presented a real issue. He also asked if it was a contractual policy or simply practice to accept the International Baccalaureate Exams for course credit.
Mary Daniel O’Keefe replied that the International Baccalaureate Exam was considered substantially more difficult, hence the policy. She also noted that students occasionally used the courses to reduce their load in senior year.
· Michael Martin offered a defense of the four year degree on pedagogic and developmental grounds adding that Core courses were supposed to consider the nature of the disciplines as well as the knowledge base.
Clare Dunsford responded that the UCDC rule requiring 9 of the 15 Core courses be taken at BC addressed this issue.
Grace Simmons stated she had found most of her BC Core courses were taught at a lower level than her high school AP courses.
Clare Dunsford responded that the quality of AP courses differed from one school to another. Mary Daniel O’Keefe added that many high school faculty thought the AP courses and exams were declining.
Clare Dunsford stated that Romance Languages, on
its own authority, was raising the required SAT score to 550 but not raising
the AP from a “3” to a “4”.
· Solomon Friedberg asked if anyone had evidence that the writing skills of students who used AP exam scores to avoid the BC writing courses was either inadequate or poorer than that of those who took the BC courses. Grace Simmons offered she felt she really needed the courses at BC.
· Clare Dunsford noted that there were resource implications which neither the EPC nor the UCDC could address.
Tom McGuinness stated the numbers for new sections might prove inflated as many of the students with AP credits would be in programs like Honors.
· Dean Quinn stated that the Honors Subcommittee should consult further with the concerned departments and then meet with the UCDC to discuss the issues.
He closed the discussion by stating that any EPC and UCDC proposals should seek to protect the academic integrity of the College and the Core.
ADJOURNMENT: Dean Quinn thanked all the members of the EPC and the Honors subcommittee and adjourned the meeting at .
Michael C. Martin
Secretary to the EPC